Saturday, February 13, 2016

Some cartoonish thoughts

* A quick check online suggests that the rendering of an Osaka dialect into Brooklyn-ese is a pretty common way of showing the speech of the Kansai (that's the region Osaka is in) differs from those around Tokyo.

That brought up a weak memory from long ago - my college humanities classes were Great Books, where we read a lot of Greek plays and the like. I remember reading that, particularly in the British-done translations, regional accents were used to identify the Greeks from different regions/classes, and also to give a sense of how those different groups may have been  perceived. But I can't remember any of the groups, now.

As I remember it was particularly done with the comedies, like Aristophanes, but I could be misremembering that.

I suppose American dialects could be subbed in: deep South for someone who talks slow (and is at least presumed to think slow). A Trumpian dialect full of words like "yuuuuge" for a nouveau-riche type. A Midatlantic dialect for a woman who has pretensions of being more than she is (no one speaks with a true Midatlantic dialect any more, I think). Portlandish vocal fry for someone who just is "so done, you know?"

Though I don't know that any of those groups map onto the Greek groups.

(Aha, good old TV Tropes, they go through it: Scots for Spartans is one I remember. And I guess American translations make them sound Texan...but there are a lot of different dialects in Texas, just as there are in Scotland)

* This also makes me wonder if American cartoons, when in dub form, try to emphasize the vocal uniqueness of the characters. I think probably in some cases they do, if that "Rarity whining in 15 languages" that is out on YouTube is any indicator.

(Again, TV Tropes covers this - particularly interesting is the Quebecois French version of the Simpsons; they actually play with class differences there).

* And a Pony thought: arguably, the Mane Six is (to my perception) three introverts and three extroverts. Twilight is the "classic" introvert, living mostly in her own head, often needing to think on her own. Fluttershy is the "caricature" of the introvert - someone so shy she can't say her own name to a new person. But also Fluttershy does seem happiest working with her animal friends.

And Rarity. I would argue she is an introvert. Even with her exaggerated drama-queening. Often, I think someone who tends to act more "formally" in public is someone who is fundamentally shy (yes, I'm conflating shyness and introversion, but also Rarity needs to be alone to create). I tend to be very formal, particularly around people I don't know well, and I am SURE it's part of my introversion - in fact, I can come off as a little bit stiff and stand-offish, which I dislike, because I genuinely like (most) people, but I am nervous around them when I don't know them well.

Pinkie Pie is the classic extrovert in that she lives for her relationship with other ponies. She knows all the birthdays in Ponyville and remembers them. She loves to make her friends smile, and she feels a little....off.....when she's left all alone (see: Party of One).

Rainbow Dash is the brash extrovert, but she's also been known to make the comment that she hates being alone. She lives for the approval of others: her great dream is to be a part of the Wonderbolts, essentially the Equestrian version of an elite military squadron, but also with the element of public performance (The Blue Angels?). She lives to be "awesome," which seems to me to be an extrovert trait.

Applejack....well, actually it seems to me she could go either way. I think for balance she might be designated an extrovert, and she does certainly seem to be able to be friends with almost anypony. And she seems to be comfortable in a variety of situations. But she also seems happiest working on stuff, whether it's bucking apples off trees or helping to rebuild (for the nth time) her family's barn. So maybe she has some introvert tendencies, given that she likes to immerse herself in work. (But then again, she does seem to crave others' approval, given her reaction to the planning of the family reunion).

(I wonder if anyone's tried to do a "big five traits" - extraversion, conscientiousness, openness to new experiences, agreeability, and neuroticism - analysis on the Ponies. I'm guessing Twilie would be off the charts on Conscientiousness....

I took an online survey of those a while back and unsurprisingly to me, I scored high on conscientiousness and neuroticism and agreeability, and low on openness and very low on extraversion....)

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